The Kimmo "Sysop" Alm Emails

This page contains all of the e-mails Kimmo Alm aka Sysop has sent me. It also contains all of my responses, and a few of the e-mails sent to our host.


See this article for the backstory. The short of it is Kimmo has been spamming 4chan for YEARS. We've banned THOUSANDS of IPs, and deleted at least A HUNDRED THOUSAND spam posts at this point. He spams 4chan to advertise his website, which is a haven for pedophiles.


EDIT: Updates at the bottom, in red.

EDIT 2: An ex-moderator from AnT has posted a bunch of hilarious PMs from Kimmo, all of which show he is completely insane. See here. UPDATE: Apparently the thread got deleted. I've re-hosted the ZIP here.



Here's the first e-mail he ever sent. He later claims he didn't, but that's bullshit (see headers).

    To: moot@4chan.org
    Subject: Why bully loli?
    From: "Kimmo Alm"
    Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:31:10 +0100
    Message-ID: <op.tl76l8s88f86cr@kimmoa.bredbandsbolaget.se>

    Why do you bully loli?


Why yes, I'd love to exchange links with someone who has been spamming my website for 1.5 years! (Not.)

    Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:41:33 +0100
    To: moot@4chan.org
    Subject: Link exchange
    Reply-To: sysop@anontalk.com
    From: "AT Sysop" <m84c092d@gmail.com>

    Wanna exchange permanent links?


This is the first real converastion I've ever had with him.

    To: admin@4chan.org
    Subject: Please respond to this test.
    Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:47:49 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    Hello. Please respond to this if you are reading it. We both want to end attacks and spam on both boards.

    --

    Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:54:57 -0500
    From: moot <moot@4chan.org>
    To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>
    Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.

    I'm pretty sure any problems you have with 4chan would disappear if you stopped advertising/"spamming" on 4chan.

    --

    To: moot <moot@4chan.org>
    Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
    Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:17:27 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    > I'm pretty sure any problems you have with 4chan would disappear if you
    > stopped advertising/"spamming" on 4chan.

    (Apparently, you don't know your own users...)

    I did send you several e-mails about this in the past but they apparently got ignored. I hope that you will read and consider this, in case you actually never got the old e-mails. Or maybe reconsider it, if you did and just ignored them.

    None of us like each other, obviously, but I still seriously propose that we set up some sort of mutual link exchange. This would obviously cut down on any spam to the level of "few trolls trying to stir up a war", and hopefully, not even that would happen after a while.

    I actually used to have a free banner text for 4chan, linking to "/b/" with a text such as "Tired of using your brains? Relax and enjoy images." (or something alone those lines). I would be prepared to bring that back, as well as removing all the banned phrases related to "4chan". In return, I expect you would put a rotating text or graphical banner (doesn't matter) on the 4chan boards. It doesn't need to get heavy "weight" or anything, as long as it sticks around and is permanent.

    I really think that this would solve a ton of problems and I frankly cannot imagine why you would turn this offer down at this point. Hopefully, you will not. We don't need to like each other. The two boards obviously serve completely different needs, and I would very happily get rid of "sloppy" posters who just want to use memes and such. At the same time, I do recognize that there are people with brains surfing your board, and nothing stops them from using both.

    As I suggested the last time, I'm OK with rather "unflattering" ad texts such as: "Feeling anal-retentive? Then check out AnonTalk.com!". However, it would be nice if we could agree on the specifics. I'm prepared to do this within hours.

    Think about it. Nobody (or at least much fewer) would have a reason to spam/"raid" either board if both link to each other, while agreeing to disagree.

    Excitedly awaiting your response.

    --

    Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:30:53 -0500
    From: moot <moot@4chan.org>
    To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>
    Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.

    This is the only e-mail I've received from you:

    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: Why bully loli?
    Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:31:10 +0100
    From: Kimmo Alm <kimmoa@gmail.com>
    To: moot@4chan.org

    Why do you bully loli?

    -

    We don't do any external links, besides paid banner ads. Essentially you're extorting a text link out of me to stop spamming 4chan?

    > Nobody (or at least much fewer) would have a reason to spam/"raid" either board if both link to each other, while agreeing to disagree.

    4channers wouldn't give two shits about AnonTalk if you stopped spamming 4chan. All you've done for the past two years is use spam on 4chan as a means to advertise your website.

    --

    To: moot <moot@4chan.org>
    Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
    Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:35:36 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    > This is the only e-mail I've received from you:

    What the hell? I definitely haven't sent anything related to "bullying loli", and especially not to you. That must be yet another person pretending to be me.

    I've sent several e-mails such as this one a number of months ago. They never received any replies.

    > We don't do any external links, besides paid banner ads. Essentially
    > you're extorting a text link out of me to stop spamming 4chan?

    No, that's not what I'm saying. Did you read the letter?

    > > Nobody (or at least much fewer) would have a reason to spam/"raid"
    > either board if both link to each other, while agreeing to disagree.
    >
    > 4channers wouldn't give two shits about AnonTalk if you stopped spamming
    > 4chan. All you've done for the past two years is use spam on 4chan as a
    > means to advertise your website.

    Right. You apparently choose to ignore the real issue and assume things in order to dismiss this very serious proposal.

    I really thought that you would see things differently, but apparently not. In a few days, AT is two years old and it would have been a great "fresh start" to not have any chantards constantly coming there to scream and post junk due to "spam" in threads.

    You think advertising is free on AT? It's not. I was (and still am, but not for long) prepared to give you a prominent backlink as well, but you seem completely uninterested in this.

    It would be a simple matter of displaying a small link randomly on every Xth page load across the boards. If you don't already have such a system in order, which I believe you do, it would be extremely easy to code.

    The offer still stands, but this really is the last time I'm going to try to reason with you. I actually do have better things to do than sending fruitless e-mails.

    (I can make a small custom graphical banner if you want, and you can get a (static) image banner as well.)

    --

    Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:54:48 -0500
    From: moot <moot@4chan.org>
    To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>
    Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.

    > The offer still stands

    Your offer is: "I will stop spamming you if you link to me."

    Am I missing something here?

    --

    To: moot <moot@4chan.org>
    Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
    Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:14:45 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    > > The offer still stands
    >
    > Your offer is: "I will stop spamming you if you link to me."

    No, that's not it. It's: "If both of us link to each other's board, which are not in direct competition, this should finally stop most/all problems related to attacks and counter attacks."

    > Am I missing something here?

    Yes. I must say that I thought that you would either not respond at all, or do respond positively.

    Do you have any idea how much money, time and grey hairs your users and their damn attacks have cost me? You let them go on. I'm saying that I'm willing to look past that for the greater good, but you insist on being hostile. I won't start praising 4chan all of a sudden -- I think its users have done far more damage to the Internet than anything else -- but it can't be denied that it's got traffic, with a certain number of posters who would also make great "AnTs", and that's why I care.

    If you don't respond to this, or yet again ignore what I write, I'll know that you're not interested, and in that case, I will give up all attempts to talk to you and won't contact you again. Otherwise (and I really hope that this will be the case), I can have the 4chan ad active very quickly. You don't need to make a big deal out of it (such as announcing it in any way) if you fear user reactions.

    --

    Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:42:23 -0500
    From: moot <moot@4chan.org>
    To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>
    Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.

    Why would I want you to link to me?

    I'd like for you to stop spamming (read: advertising) on 4chan. None of my users would bother with your site if you weren't spamming it non-stop.


He stopped e-mailing me after that. The next encounter happened a few weeks later.

    Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:45:09 +0100
    To: moot@4chan.org
    Subject: What the fuck is this tiny.4chan.org clone bullshit?
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    What the hell is this illegal clone of my work doing hosted with you? Yet more spam to block from you.

    I strongly suggest that you remove any affiliation with the illegal clone ASAP or legal action will be taken.


I didn't respond. He then sent the following to me 9 times:

    Subject: I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately.
    To: moot@4chan.org
    Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:05:05 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately. You will regret this. Believe me. Don't fuck with me.


To which I responded:

    Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:25:22 -0500
    From: moot <moot@4chan.org>
    To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>
    Subject: Re: I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately.

    Sorry, I didn't see those first few e-mails you sent. Please contact me at my primary e-mail address to expedite future delivery: sysop@4chan.org.

    Thank you in advance.


He responded with this. Note that he actually e-mailed sysop@4chan.org :trollface:

    To: sysop@4chan.org
    Subject: Re: I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately.
    Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:31:07 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    > Sorry, I didn't see those first few e-mails you sent. Please contact me
    > at my primary e-mail address to expedite future delivery:
    > sysop@4chan.org.
    >
    > Thank you in advance.

    That's not your primary e-mail address, you psychotic troll.

    Remove that crap from your servers or I will have your domain name deactivated and you kicked out from your host. This time, you are blatantly hosting illegal material, knowingly. Not even you will get away with this.

    First you clone the Japanese board, and now my work. You just can't seem to create anything original, can you?

    I unbanned the banned phrase "4chan" at AT and asked you very nicely for a link exchange to end the "war", and this is how you respond? You have some sort of mental illness. I will not drop this.


He then sent me this three times:

    To: moot@4chan.org
    Subject: You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain name and hosting services.
    Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:02:52 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain name and hosting services.


I replied:

    To: moot@4chan.org
    Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:59:38 -0500
    From: moot <moot@4chan.org>
    To: AT Sysop <sysop@anontalk.com>
    Subject: Re: You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain name and hosting services.

    I'm unsure of what the issue is. 4chan is almost seven years old, and that subdomain has existed since 2003. That predates AnT, no?

    On 2/28/10 10:02 PM, AT Sysop wrote:
    > You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain
    > name and hosting services.


My logic did not please him :(

    To: moot <moot@4chan.org>
    Subject: Re: You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain name and hosting services.
    Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:19:19 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    > I'm unsure of what the issue is. 4chan is almost seven years old, and
    > that subdomain has existed since 2003. That predates AnT, no?

    You are extremely sure of what the issue is. The subdomain has certainly NOT existed since 2003. Why are you a liar?

    And it's "AT" -- not "AnT". I can't even tell if you're seriously this stupid or a troll.

    Just remove the damn thing.

    On 2/28/10 10:02 PM, AT Sysop wrote:
    > You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain
    > name and hosting services.


I got like fifty of the following three messages:

    Subject: If I still see spam for your illegal clone in 12 hours, you will regret the day you were born.
    To: moot@4chan.org
    Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:32:00 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    If I still see spam for your illegal clone in 12 hours, you will regret the day you were born.

    Get that FUCKING clone off the Internet or you will lose your domain name 4chan.org and your hosting setup. I'm not kidding.

    --

    Subject: I will continue contacting your domain registrar and server host until the domain is deactivated or the subdomain and illegal AT clone is gone from your server.
    To: moot@4chan.org
    Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:42:22 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>

    I will continue contacting your domain registrar and server host until the domain is deactivated or the subdomain and illegal AT clone is gone from your server.

    ---

    Subject: This is your very last warning and the last e-mail I will ever send to you.
    To: moot@4chan.org
    From: "AT Sysop" <sysop@anontalk.com>
    Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:21:56 +0100

    I'm NOT going to let you get away with stealing my hard work and pretending that you're the author.

    If you don't remove the illegal clone of my Web site immediately, you are going to lose your domain name 4chan.org, your hosting provider and huge amounts of money. I am going to ruin you. Do you understand what I'm saying? This is not some fucking joke or "game".

    Remove it RIGHT NOW or you WILL regret it, you complete psycho thief dipshit.


So those are all the e-mails he's sent me over the past few years. Now here are some of the awesome ones he sent our host!



He sent variations of this a bunch of times:

    -----Original Message-----
    From: AT Sysop [mailto:sysop@anontalk.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:36
    To: noc@securedprivatenetwork.net
    Subject: You are STILL hosting the illegal clone "tinychan.org" of my Web site on your servers. Legal action will be taken very soon.
    Importance: High

    You are still hosting the illegal clone "tinychan.org" of my Web site on your servers. Remove it immediately or I will sue you for $100,000/day. Respond to me ASAP.

    --

    -----Original Message-----
    From: AT Sysop [mailto:sysop@anontalk.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 13:24
    Subject: Re: You are STILL hosting the illegal clone "tinychan.org" of my Web site on your servers. Legal action will be taken very soon.

    > Sysop-
    >
    > I am still awaiting your response to the DMCA counter-notification per
    > requirement. Per the requirement of the DMCA, we are REQUIRED to permit
    > the content of the DMCA until you provide information regarding the
    > lawsuit filed in district court.
    >
    > As soon as we get this, we are more than happy to assist you further.
    > However, we must get this PRIOR to further action being taken against
    > this customer.

    You are not REQUIRED to permit illegal content on your servers. You just DON'T WANNA remove it. You don't FEEL like it, because you don't like me, my Web site, my "tone" or whatever reason you might have for keeping this "game" up. I'm not stupid. If you actually wanted to, the site would be gone within nano seconds. You choose to keep this psychopath because you want to make it difficult for me.

    This is typical. WHY do you have to keep making my life an obnoxious hell? I have WORK to do; I can't spend all my time dealing with these fucking uncooperative companies that don't know their own good.

    I won't send you any more documents. You will either remove the illegal content from your God damn server OR face the consequences. I am DONE filling out these bullshit forms and sending them in to you and other people who don't even read them. Handle this immediately or you'll regret it. I promise you this. This is not an empty threat by some nobody -- it is a serious matter which will eventually run your company into bankruptcy. It may take some time, but I will not forget this.

    PS: I have no idea who you are and I don't have anything against you personally. My issue is with your company and how you are handling legitimate abuse complaints.

He then proceeded to spam their ticket system with hundreds of e-mails. He also threatened a tech.



UPDATE 03/12/2010: Kimmo sent me the following e-mail claiming that the e-mails I posted are "fake". I am flattered that he thinks I would go through all that trouble! I'll post all of the e-mails with full headers on/about March 23rd.

    Subject: You will remove your clone and fake e-mails immediately. Otherwise, say good bye to 4chan.
    To: moot@4chan.org
    Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:48:39 +0100
    From: "AT Sysop"

    You will remove your clone and fake e-mails immediately. Otherwise, say good bye to 4chan.



UPDATE 03/16/2010: Kimmo has been circulating/spamming a fake email, "mootard.txt", which purports to be from me/mocking him. Oh Kimmo-chan ^_^~ I've gotten e-mails from two Swedes who have dealt with Kimmo in the past—both are genuinely afraid of him, and insist that he is an extremely disturbed individual. Full headers coming next week when I'm less busy.



UPDATE 03/20/2010: Kimmo sent me this 500 times through a remailer:

    To: moot@4chan.org
    Subject: YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL287
    X-PHP-Script: buyblackamericana.com/emailscript2.php for 12.68.141.118
    From: sysop@anontalk.com287@ebaumsworld.com
    Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:08:37 -0500
    X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
    X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gvo141118.gvodatacenter.com
    X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - 4chan.org
    X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [652 32003] / [47 12]
    X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gvo141118.gvodatacenter.com
    X-Source: /usr/bin/php
    X-Source-Args: /usr/bin/php /home/buyblack/public_html/emailscript2.php
    X-Source-Dir: buyblackamericana.com:/public_html

    Fuck you, this shit has got to stop? It never will, you know what you\'ve done, and now you will pay in court. 918317b57931b6b7a7d29490fe5ec9f9



UPDATE 03/23/2010: Here's the latest from Dear Leader. Also, as promised, here's a text file that contains his e-mails with full headers.



Note the discrepancy between "several months now" and "a few days ago". That really grinds my gears!

    From: AT Sysop [mailto:sysop@anontalk.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:25 AM
    To: Abuse Team
    Subject: Illegal clone of my software hosted on your servers: tiny.4chan.org (URGENT!)

    Dear OC3 Networks,

    The owner of the domain 4chan.org, "moot", has, I believe for what must be several months now, been hosting http://tiny.4chan.org/ on your servers. It is an illegal, unauthorized verbatim clone of my original, copyrighted, closed source work http://www.AnonTalk.com/. My board was unique and started in early 2008. This board was put up a few days ago, in year 2010, and has copied everything from the structure and messages to ideas and feature. It is hidden underneath a shell that is supposed to look somewhat different, however, in order to fool people looking into abuse complaints such as this one. Yes, it sounds unlikely, but this person is a dangerous thief and psychopath and, together with his "crew" of Internet "trolls", has been harassing me for years.

    I have sent many e-mails to him, but he ignores them entirely or sends mocking replies back. The owner of the domain is known as a copycat and the entire Web site 4chan.org (cloned of a Japanese BBS) revolves around copyright violations and organizing illegal "raids" and harassments of people in real life and on the Internet. The Web site's userbase has been very seriously harassing our board for over two years now with daily spam, "trolling" and DDoS attacks, all organized on 4chan.org and allowed, encouraged and sometimes *initiated* by the "creator" (I wouldn't call it "creating" when you just copy and paste a concept).

    The clone in question, which is the main part of my complaint, incorrectly claims copyright of the software and has a fake copyright year stated in the meta data (and possibly on the board itself -- I refuse to check it any longer). This is obviously inaccurate and just one of the many attempts to damage us.

    I have carefully read up on your AUP, ToS and legal documents, and American law, and it is completely clear to me that you are required not only by your own policies, but the actual law, to remove 4chan.org from your servers, effective immediately. The next best thing, as far as we are concerned, is for you to get this person to at least remove the subdomain "tiny.4chan.org", as this is separate from the main site. The main site is not violating our specific IPs, and may continue in a "worst case" scenario as far as we are concerned. (Although it is still illegal and violates your policies and many laws; you may want to look into that separately when we are done with each other.)

    Our only demand is that either you convince the owner to remove the illegal subdomain board, or remove all hosting for 4chan. If you comply, no legal action will be taken toward OC3 Networks.

    Should you still continue to ignore this request, legal action will very soon be taken toward OC3 Networks. We take this extremely seriously and will demand a large amount of money for all the damages that your client (and, by proxy, you) has caused us in terms of uptime, goodwill, labor and intellectual property damages.

    Your sincerely,
    AT Sysop.



I think that's about it. Kimmo has sent all sorts of great e-mails to Jan Martin of Tinychan, most of which are on Encyclopedia Dramatica. He's also posted all sorts of crazy bulletins on his site, which are also archived in various places.


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